I think you said it best, they are bot great wine both styles. Depends what you are in the mood for. There is nothing bad to say about Bruno Giacosa or Liciano Sandrone.
I love the traditional style barolos. How could you not, you can approach them today or drink them in 20 years. People who sya they don’t last are wrong. I have drank Robert Voerizo wines that are 15+ years old and they are great.
I think Borolos should come in “new World” and “Old World” styles. Obviously, the older style should be in smaller quantities due to price and demand, I’ve had a 30 year old Borolo and it’s nothing like the newbies. Don’t get me wrong I’m with you on enjoying the new world style, but what’s going to happen are all wines going to have 5 or six flavor profiles eventually. I also think the new style should no longer enjoy the benefit of “KING OF WINES, WINE OF KINGS” title. It should be more like “THE WINE FORMERLY KNOWN AS KING”
Italiantapas, I disagree. It is still the king of wines. It is not like they are using a different grape…it is the same wine with some different profiles.
I’m a big fan of Barolos. There is one”new world” barolo I have been drinking since 1992 and that is Ceretto Zonchera (Piedmont of course). I have never drinken a bottle that was less than 6 years old by vintage until recently. I was anxious to try the 2004 since I had read that it was a great year for barolos. So I did, and I shouldn’t have. Too young, way too many tannins still and acidity which overwhelmed the fruit. Nothing like the big, fruity, almost velvety barolos from those that were older. I’m going to cellar the other bottle of 2004 with the hope that it will grow up to be as great as its older brothers and sisters. Thanks for the information!!
I am also not a fan of barolo, too me there is not enough fruit there, I have tasted so many that I actually can’t pick up anything on the nose or the palate. I will keep trying because I must be missing something.
I think as many different topics this is over analyzed. Most of the winemakers in piedmont are actually using a combination of traditional and modern styles. Who cares how the do it as long as the wine tastes good, which it does,
Your comment of modernist versus traditionalist is so timely. I think that winemakers in making wines more drinkable sooner than later helps sales but it takes away from the potential of what the varietal can offer. I understand liking both styles but, thankfully, there are vintners who still practice more traditional methods. The cost may be high but the oenophile will understand that. Whereas, the drinkable here and now wine is for the everyday meal and that is just fine.
Although I’m a huge fan of Barolo I think for anyone wanting to “get into” or taste a Barolo picking something so young would really make them wonder again about buying any Barolo wines especially down this end of the Barolo market.
I agree with you 100%. That is the struggle with barolos and brunellos. However, if you can find the modern producers than a first time barolo drinker has a better chance of enjoying. In fact, a similar issue is opening up great wine when you do not have time to decant it and many times your first impression is that the wine is not very good, however, as you know give it a little time and everything changes. Thanks for the comment.
I think you said it best, they are bot great wine both styles. Depends what you are in the mood for. There is nothing bad to say about Bruno Giacosa or Liciano Sandrone.
Finally a barolo!!
Great episode, I just learned a lot. This was great!
I love the traditional style barolos. How could you not, you can approach them today or drink them in 20 years. People who sya they don’t last are wrong. I have drank Robert Voerizo wines that are 15+ years old and they are great.
I am a huge fan of aldo conterno barolos, I think they are a perfect mix between mondern and traditional style.
Barolo is indeed the king of wines, and Piedmont is the greatest place in the world. Keep the barolo episodes coming. Both styles.
I think Borolos should come in “new World” and “Old World” styles. Obviously, the older style should be in smaller quantities due to price and demand, I’ve had a 30 year old Borolo and it’s nothing like the newbies. Don’t get me wrong I’m with you on enjoying the new world style, but what’s going to happen are all wines going to have 5 or six flavor profiles eventually. I also think the new style should no longer enjoy the benefit of “KING OF WINES, WINE OF KINGS” title. It should be more like “THE WINE FORMERLY KNOWN AS KING”
Salute!
Italiantapas, I disagree. It is still the king of wines. It is not like they are using a different grape…it is the same wine with some different profiles.
I’m a big fan of Barolos. There is one”new world” barolo I have been drinking since 1992 and that is Ceretto Zonchera (Piedmont of course). I have never drinken a bottle that was less than 6 years old by vintage until recently. I was anxious to try the 2004 since I had read that it was a great year for barolos. So I did, and I shouldn’t have. Too young, way too many tannins still and acidity which overwhelmed the fruit. Nothing like the big, fruity, almost velvety barolos from those that were older. I’m going to cellar the other bottle of 2004 with the hope that it will grow up to be as great as its older brothers and sisters. Thanks for the information!!
weird i know but barolo never really agreed with me. so annoying when we go out to dinner and i guy orders a bottle for the table. passola.
If you are not a fan of the modern style then go buy a bottle of paolo scavino,luciano sandrone,Vietti,RV…..and you will change your mind!!
Great job making it simple and straight forward, I becoming an expert!!
I am also not a fan of barolo, too me there is not enough fruit there, I have tasted so many that I actually can’t pick up anything on the nose or the palate. I will keep trying because I must be missing something.
This is all great banter. I vote for the modern style…I don’t want to pay 80 for a wine I can’t touch for 20 years.
What I would say to carl is if you are not a fan of traditional barolos try bruna giacosa,giacomo conterno,bartolo mascarello and then talk to me.
A barolo and truffles does not get any better.
THE KING OF WINES AND THE WINE OF KINGS
I think as many different topics this is over analyzed. Most of the winemakers in piedmont are actually using a combination of traditional and modern styles. Who cares how the do it as long as the wine tastes good, which it does,
Your comment of modernist versus traditionalist is so timely. I think that winemakers in making wines more drinkable sooner than later helps sales but it takes away from the potential of what the varietal can offer. I understand liking both styles but, thankfully, there are vintners who still practice more traditional methods. The cost may be high but the oenophile will understand that. Whereas, the drinkable here and now wine is for the everyday meal and that is just fine.
Although I’m a huge fan of Barolo I think for anyone wanting to “get into” or taste a Barolo picking something so young would really make them wonder again about buying any Barolo wines especially down this end of the Barolo market.
Interesting to see your blog though Chris.
I agree with you 100%. That is the struggle with barolos and brunellos. However, if you can find the modern producers than a first time barolo drinker has a better chance of enjoying. In fact, a similar issue is opening up great wine when you do not have time to decant it and many times your first impression is that the wine is not very good, however, as you know give it a little time and everything changes. Thanks for the comment.